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Crazed Paranoia: Obama plans to enslave and euthanize

Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:26 AM EDT
politics, obama, health-care-reform, conspiracy, michelle-bachmann, slaves, us-treasury, jesse-ventura, cs-lewis
By James Owens-1128509

Rep. Michelle Bachmann (R-MN) speaks on the second day of the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minnesota, on September 2, 2008. (UPI Photo/Roger L. Wollenberg)

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According to Michelle Bachmann Americans are victims who are about to become enslaved by the Federal Government, and like slaves who become worthless, those who are of little use will be done away with. She referred to health care reform as a Kevorkian-like exercise, and insists that, for our own good, we must keep people like her in power.

Speaking to about 600 faithful followers, Rep. Bachmann of Minnesota told the gathering gloom seekers that electing "constitutional conservatives" was the only way to escape "tyranny." To prove her point she went on the quote CS Lewis: "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under a robber baron than under omnipotent moral busybodies..."

It seems odd she would use this particular quote after making the comments she made about being enslaved by the government. It sounds like she is the one trying to “sincerely exercise” he own brand of tyranny “for the good of” the victims – her own followers. She apparently did not draw the parallel in what she was saying with the CS Lewis quote.

Health care reform, Bachmann said, is nothing more than “rationing of medical care to only those who were useful to the federal treasury.” Then she goes on to concoct a conspiracy theory that places health care reform and the treasury in cahoots with one another to either take our money, or your lives.

"It is about being useful not to you, not to others, but to the United States Treasury. How useful are you to the United States Treasury? These people are serious. It makes [Jack] Kevorkian look like Mary Poppins,” she was quoted as saying by the Huffington Post.

The good people of Minnesota seem to love to stir the pot because they elect strange bedfellows who share various conspiracy theories about our government. Compare Michelle Bachmann with former governor and professional wrestler Jesse Ventura. Ventura hosts a television show called, “Conspiracy Theory” on TruTV. One of the theories Ventura lays out is that global warming is a ruse to start a “one-world government” that will control our lives.

Bachmann’s theory about health care reform and President Obama would be hilarious, if she was not serious and if so many people did not believe her. Like Ventura, Bachmann spins the facts. Both conspiracy theorists weave a parallel web; big government’s aim is to take from us, lie to us and kill us off when we become useless.

I am critical of government, and undoubtedly, we have, and have had, people in our government who are this sinister, but to believe a majority in our elected officials is out to get us is tittering on the edge of crazed paranoia.

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Bubba-939441

American taxpayers are already enslaved. As long as we're strapped with 2-3 trillion in debt we'll continue to be enslaved. China is our master.

  • 5 votes
#1 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:47 AM EDT
James Owens-1128509

You are correct, if you want to call that enslavement; debtors prisons don't exist any longer, but that could change.

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:06 AM EDT
Sues-343312

I agree Bubba. And further, I think TV ads seeking money for poor Haiti should be pulled. And Michelle Obama should have hers pulled especially. She is representing the wrong country. Why is she asking for money for just that small island nation? She doesn't beg for other countries, especially her own, and then only for the black community. She should be talking to all Americans about how all Americans can become stronger. But then we all know how proud she finally is of her country. As for China. I don't buy anything with their label. Small I know, but it's a start. We need to bring industry back to America and buy American. We need to bring back American pride. All Americans not just a select group at the expense of others.

  • 3 votes
#1.2 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:16 AM EDT
northtosouth

As for China. I don't buy anything with their label

So you never shop at WalMart?

  • 9 votes
#1.3 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:37 AM EDT
HeelsnHairMetal

And further, I think TV ads seeking money for poor Haiti should be pulled. And Michelle Obama should have hers pulled especially.

On what grounds? If people have money to spare, they are MORE than free to spend it helping people in Haiti. Get real.

Why is she asking for money for just that small island nation?

Did you forget they had the earthquake? They were already hideously poor, and now they have LESS then they did before.

She doesn't beg for other countries,

What other country has so little and so much need? When another natural disaster arises, we will try to raise money for them too.

and then only for the black community.

What the @!$%#? No ma'am, you're going to have to provide proof or else you are just shooting @!$%#.

She should be talking to all Americans about how all Americans can become stronger.

Ummm... well she is trying to help American kids by encouraging them to eat better and live healthier lives. Does that not count

You people are amazing.

  • 14 votes
#1.4 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:54 AM EDT
trm2008

You people are amazing.

No, they are "conservatives". I got mine...

  • 10 votes
#1.5 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:04 PM EDT
Bubba-939441

"I got mine."

I don't have mine, still makin payments on this old trailer. Actually I think Haiti could use it more than me. 70% of the babies born at my county hospital are born to illegals. I don't have mine, but I'm helping lots of people thru my county taxes. So see, even conservatives help their fellow man.

http://bsimmons.wordpress.com/2010/05/29/parkland-memorial-hospital-in-dallas-illegal-immigrant-problem/

  • 1 vote
#1.6 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:25 PM EDT
northtosouth

70% of the babies born at my county hospital are born to illegals

Proof?

  • 10 votes
#1.7 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:42 PM EDT
Cletus Wilbury

Proof?

snopes entry on a much more specific claim, about Parkland Memorial Hospital:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/parkland.asp

I've talked to two nurses who work in Chula Vista, one just yesterday. She estimated about half of the people they treat are illegals. How could she tell? They don't have social security numbers. The wife of a long time friend also works in Chula Vista, and has mad similar claims in the past.

On the other hand, my uncle is a member of the board of trustees for a local (San Diego) hospital. I asked him about the general claim that a high percentage of patients in emergency rooms, and he doesn't think it's much of a problem.

  • 1 vote
#1.8 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:59 PM EDT
RETLAW

And the GOP still thinks that after showing how wild and frivolous they are (after crashing the environment and economy) they should be put back in charge. Is it just me, or does that not only seem laughable, but ridiculous !!

  • 8 votes
#1.9 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:06 PM EDT
Bubba-939441

"I got mine."

See, we conservatives are helping lots of less fortunate people here in Dallas County. And no, I don't have mine.

  • 1 vote
#1.10 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:10 PM EDT
northtosouth

Bubba, you got that proof yet?

  • 6 votes
#1.11 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:54 PM EDT
Bubba-939441

"Bubba, you got that proof yet?"

http://bsimmons.wordpress.com/2010/05/29/parkland-memorial-hospital-in-dallas-illegal-immigrant-problem/

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/parkland.asp

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/healthscience/stories/092507dnmetparklandbabies.106c3124d.html

Should be all the proof you need to know that Dallas County tax payers help our friends in need.

  • 1 vote
#1.12 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:17 PM EDT
northtosouth

The only actual piece of journalism you have there is the Dallas news piece. The other two are opinion pieces. The Dallas news piece states "More than 80 percent of the women who gave birth at Parkland last year had Hispanic surnames." Any actual proof?

  • 7 votes
#1.13 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:54 PM EDT
Bubba-939441

North, do you need any more proof that Dallas County taxpayers are helping their friends with their medical bills? Some of these tax payers are conservatives. So see, conservatives help their fellow man as well. Actually every tax payer is helping them, even you. Parkland hospital also receives federal funds. "I don't have mine" yet I am helping the less fortunate. Bachman is right, Haiti needs help too. Maybe more than we do.

  • 1 vote
#1.14 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:01 PM EDT
Sues-343312

North - You seem to be a very angry person. Answer to your question re: China goods @ Walmart. I try to avoid Walmart, but occasionally do shop there. And yes, I imagine somethings do have that ol' Made in China stamp on it. Sometimes you can't avoid it. But if I had my way I would only buy American. I only buy American cars. My next will be another GMC. Got a problem with that too? They've got plenty of foreign made parts in them. Does that make your little heart sing? What is your problem? You're just one of those posters who feels the need to attack and berate other posters. Get over yourself you looney tune. And btw up your meds. You might see things in a better light. Leave Bubba alone. He's a tax payer. Are you?

  • 2 votes
#1.15 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:30 PM EDT
northtosouth

You seem to be a very angry person

Not really. Sorry if I came off that way.

Does that make your little heart sing? What is your problem?

I asked a question. Sorry if you felt like I attacked or berated you.

Bubba, I get it, you pay taxes. Look, sorry if I come across harsh, but county hospitals bill their patients just like private hospitals. There's no "free lunch" so to speak (unless you're on medicaid). Sorry if I offended, but I ask questions. I will not apologize for asking for proof of a stated fact. Sorry if that's offensive.

  • 8 votes
#1.16 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:40 PM EDT
Bubba-939441

"There's no "free lunch"

The medical care is free for illegals. The county (we taxpayers) pay the tab.

  • 1 vote
#1.17 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:04 PM EDT
northtosouth

I guess. Medical care is free for anyone that doesn't pay their bill, right?

  • 6 votes
#1.18 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:09 PM EDT
D DeMilo

medical care through Parkland is free for anyone who fits certain financial criteria. the funding comes from county, state and private foundations. as far as births, those that have insurance or can afford it go to St. Paul's or Southwest Med Center which are less crowded and have private rooms. using Parkland statistics exclusive of the other hospitals is skewing the facts.

  • 4 votes
#1.19 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:15 PM EDT
northtosouth

They have to prove hardship in order to not be billed? Is that how that works?

  • 2 votes
#1.20 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:21 PM EDT
Bubba-939441

"Medical care is free for anyone that doesn't pay their bill, right"

At the county hospital if you have income you gotta pay unless you're illegal. They can't ask illegals for their documentation.

  • 1 vote
#1.21 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:21 PM EDT
northtosouth

How do they issue a birth certificate without anyone's information? So, at this particular hospital, they ask no information upon check-in? No name, address, any of that? Help me understand. Is that ok? I don't want Sues to rip my head off again.

  • 3 votes
#1.22 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:37 PM EDT
D DeMilo

as a rule, financial/occupational information is taken to determine a sliding scale fee schedule. if no payments are made and the bill is determined to be un-collectible, it is paid by the foundation (sliding scale is augmented through county and state funds). all the normal information is taken at check in but birth certificate info is taken separately by a nurse. immigration status is not checked (disallowed under Texas law)

  • 3 votes
#1.23 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:50 PM EDT
northtosouth

I get that. So how do they know that 70% of births are by illegals at this particular hospital, since immigration status isn't checked? They still get the name, address and all of that right? Obviously no SSN from someone that doesn't have it.

  • 3 votes
#1.24 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:59 PM EDT
D DeMilo

So how do they know that 70% of births are by illegals at this particular hospital

you don't.

  • 2 votes
#1.25 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:16 PM EDT
Cletus Wilbury

northtosouth -

Us math majors know that absolute proofs are tough to come by. I'm just presenting evidence.

Based on the evidence, the 70% number may be true for some hospitals near the border, but it's clearly an exaggeration for the nation as a whole.

That said, let's go back to: "Obama plans to enslave and euthanize"

That's just an absurd statement, which is standard fare for Bachmann. It works for her, I guess, which is pretty sad. I've heard those types of arguments many times in the past, frequently from the incoherent right like Rush Limbaugh et al.

To use the same criteria: Can you prove that Obama wants to "enslave and euthanize"?

  • 3 votes
#1.26 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:17 PM EDT
neenie1991

1.15 reported - CoH violation.

  • 3 votes
#1.27 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:24 PM EDT
NevadaDem-1274369

At the county hospital if you have income you gotta pay unless you're illegal. They can't ask illegals for their documentation.

Next time you have to go to the hospital, just tell them you're here illegally. Problem solved.

  • 1 vote
#1.28 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:20 AM EDT
northtosouth

1.15 reported - CoH violation.

You really didn't have to do that.

Cletus, you're dead on. It's the same think rehashed over and over, sometimes with different verbiage, but the same message none the less. Fear and misinformation are the hallmarks of the Republican strategy of the last 30 years or so.

  • 2 votes
#1.29 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:51 AM EDT
neenie1991

northtosouth, I understand your position and you may not have been offended, however if viners get away with it the behaviour becomes a pattern and it is against the CoH:

Above all else, respect others. Address issues and arguments and refrain from making personal attacks. If you see something disrespectful or inappropriate, report it - rather than further inflaming the situation.

  • 2 votes
#1.30 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:41 AM EDT
northtosouth

Thanks, neenie.

  • 1 vote
#1.31 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:47 AM EDT
James Owens-1128509

We do need to show respect for others, even as we disagree.

    #1.32 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:29 PM EDT
    Cletus Wilbury

    James,

    Agreed. I like to debate the issues and appreciate those who point out errors in my arguments.

    • 2 votes
    #1.33 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:40 PM EDT
    James Owens-1128509

    Not one of us is perfect or know everything. Thanks for reading and commenting.

    • 1 vote
    #1.34 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:51 PM EDT
    Reply
    trm2008

    tittering on the edge of crazed paranoia

    Not tittering on the edge, its out right psychosis. Unfortunately, there are idiots out there that believe the crap Bachmann (et al) spew.

    • 17 votes
    Reply#2 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:17 AM EDT
    Consider It

    This is gonna be a fun election season...hopefully. It's easy to say crazy stuff when you have nobody standing opposite of you. When campaigning starts these crazy people will be called out and are going to be forced to defend their position.

    • 9 votes
    #2.1 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:27 AM EDT
    James Owens-1128509

    Is she married to Glenn Beck? She should be.

    • 9 votes
    #2.2 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:07 AM EDT
    northtosouth

    Is she married to Glenn Beck? She should be.

    No, but she's the first enrollee in the Masters program at Beck University!

    • 6 votes
    #2.3 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:38 AM EDT
    RETLAW

    But, Bachman AND Beck (hopefully) only preach to the choir !!

    • 4 votes
    #2.4 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:08 PM EDT
    trm2008

    http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/funnypictures/ig/Funny-Protest-Signs/Youth-in-Asia.htm

    Here's a couple of choir members. LMAO

    • 4 votes
    #2.5 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:46 PM EDT
    James Owens-1128509

    People believe exactly what they want to believe, or perhaps better said, people believe those who validate their own beliefs.

    Take Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh; they actually have an audience. The people who listen and believe do so because they want to. The have a disdain for Obama or the Dems or Liberals, so anything these yahoos say that further validates that belief (makes them feel they are correct) they swallow up hook, line and sinker.

    Those who spread an agenda rather than the truth do two things, they validate ignorance and polarize America.

    • 3 votes
    #2.6 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:21 PM EDT
    northtosouth

    I'm wondering how long it's going to take for these lemmings to realize that Rush, Glenn, Sean and the rest are taking them for everything they have. They are entertainers selling a product. Nothing more. It reminds me of the televangelists of the 80's.

    • 2 votes
    #2.7 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:26 PM EDT
    Reply
    neenie1991

    omnipotent moral busybodies

    Now her quoting that is just funny. Sounds like part of her platform.

    • 10 votes
    Reply#3 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:40 AM EDT
    James Owens-1128509

    Yes, when I read the news story this morning I thought, "wait a minute, she's talking about her platform and pointing the finger at the other guy.

    • 7 votes
    #3.1 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:08 AM EDT
    Reply
    DaVoH

    I wouldn't mind bein' enslaved, as long as it was by a woman...

    • 7 votes
    Reply#4 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:48 AM EDT
    neenie1991

    You dog. :)

    • 6 votes
    #4.1 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:52 AM EDT
    DaVoH

    How may I be of service to you, neenie? =)

    • 4 votes
    #4.2 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:11 AM EDT
    James Owens-1128509

    I've been enslaved by a woman, it's not fun. Of course this can go both ways.

    • 2 votes
    #4.3 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:10 AM EDT
    DaVoH

    it's not fun

    Shoot, I paid good money for it! lol

    • 5 votes
    #4.4 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:28 AM EDT
    Reply
    Metal Guitarist

    Bachmann needs to be arrested and deported.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#5 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:50 AM EDT
    James Owens-1128509

    We should have her papers checked by the Arizona State Police.

    • 4 votes
    #5.1 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:10 AM EDT
    D DeMilo

    I think her birth certificate is fake (she was really born in South Africa)

    • 5 votes
    #5.2 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:36 AM EDT
    northtosouth

    Canada.

    • 3 votes
    #5.3 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:39 AM EDT
    DaVoH

    It's obviously Somalia, look at those skinny arms and big ole head...

    • 5 votes
    #5.4 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:55 AM EDT
    northtosouth

    That's not nice.

    • 3 votes
    #5.5 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:58 AM EDT
    Metal Guitarist

    Neither is she.

    • 4 votes
    #5.6 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:45 PM EDT
    DaVoH

    That's not nice

    I never said I was...

    • 4 votes
    #5.7 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:53 PM EDT
    northtosouth

    You guys are terrible.

    • 1 vote
    #5.8 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:55 PM EDT
    DaVoH

    I like being bad, it makes me happy...

    • 2 votes
    #5.9 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:09 PM EDT
    trm2008

    Bachmann needs to be arrested and deported.

    No, she needs to be committed.

    • 3 votes
    #5.10 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:47 PM EDT
    Reply
    ron c. baker sr.

    yea, guitarist, but who would have her ???

    irony is simply lost on people like her. 'omipotent moral busybodies'...now, who in the flying @!$%# does THAT sound like???

    luv,

    ron

    • 6 votes
    Reply#6 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:06 AM EDT
    Lisafrequency

    I agree with her on some of her points. Wait untill they add that health care bill on to your taxes then you might have something to compalin about because there are a lot of unemployed people and a lot of illegal aliens...

    • 3 votes
    Reply#7 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:25 AM EDT
    James Owens-1128509

    Well hopefully, the Republicans would filibuster that bill, or if they were in power the Democrats would, so I don't think that is going to happen. It's impossible to get the two parties to agree on anything, let alone a new tax.

    • 1 vote
    #7.1 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:12 AM EDT
    northtosouth

    James I think you missed what she said. She's saying that they ARE adding the health care bill on our taxes so the unemployed and illegal aliens get their health coverage. Sounds like someone else I know......(GB maybe?)

    • 4 votes
    #7.2 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:41 AM EDT
    James Owens-1128509

    I understand. Every penny the government spends comes from our tax money, but a direct health care tax isn't going to happen any time soon. I don't mind paying for the unemployed, unless they are welfare bums, but illegals I mind paying for them. Thanks for reading and the comments northtosouth.

    • 1 vote
    #7.3 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:28 PM EDT
    northtosouth

    No problem, James. Thanks for the opportunity.

    • 1 vote
    #7.4 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:53 PM EDT
    Reply
    D DeMilo

    but to believe a majority in our elected officials is out to get us is tittering on the edge of crazed paranoia.

    they know we exist?

    • 4 votes
    Reply#8 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:26 AM EDT
    James Owens-1128509

    Only every other November.

    • 7 votes
    #8.1 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:13 AM EDT
    Reply
    David Boddie

    It's funny how they think scare tactics will keep them in power. And it's ironic that scare tactics have kept them in power...

    • 7 votes
    Reply#9 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:01 AM EDT
    James Owens-1128509

    I guess if you hear the same message long enough and often enough you begin to believe it, not matter how ridiculous it sounds the first time you hear it.

    • 7 votes
    Reply#10 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:14 AM EDT
    northtosouth

    Why do you think people still watch Fox?

    • 7 votes
    #10.1 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:41 AM EDT
    David Boddie

    All hyperbole, all the time.

    • 5 votes
    #10.2 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:47 AM EDT
    Reply
    Bubba-939441

    Wonder how her blue state will vote this November?

      Reply#11 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:18 AM EDT
      James Owens-1128509

      I read that the majority of Minnesota voters are embarrassed by Bachmann, which restores my faith in Minnesota.

      • 1 vote
      #11.1 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:23 PM EDT
      Reply
      1623 yankee

      Rampant lunacy and yuppee mommy nonsense. Gotta admit she is a jewel of clown school.

      • 4 votes
      Reply#12 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:40 AM EDT
      soggy9000

      "....It would be better to live under a robber baron than under omnipotent moral busybodies..."

      Bachmann's party has had a lock on both the robber baron vote AND the moral busybody vote for quite a few years now.

      • 8 votes
      Reply#13 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:23 PM EDT
      ScienceGuy-356641

      Michelle Bachmann is the congressional equivalent of a supermarket rag. Her main goal is self-promotion through sensationalistic commentary.

      Her insightful (inciteful?) input is little more than birdcage liner material, creating a nice mixture of bird crap and bull crap.

      • 6 votes
      Reply#14 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:36 PM EDT
      James Owens-1128509

      Really appreciate the bird cage image, would make a great cartoon.

      • 1 vote
      #14.1 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:16 AM EDT
      Reply
      sweepea-1175418

      this woman needs some help---does she have family--health insurance--listen i saw a picture of her on her website and coca-cola plant and i have given up drinking coke!! and i have drank coke for 60 years and only coke--not pepsi--not ginger ale,etc. but i am off coke!!

        Reply#15 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:11 PM EDT
        James Owens-1128509

        You're off coke, she's on it. (Of course she has health insurance, she a member of Congress, and we taxpayers offer them the best.)

        • 2 votes
        #15.1 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:18 AM EDT
        Reply
        Carol-99

        It would be better to live under a robber baron than under omnipotent moral busybodies..."

        Republicans seem to want to live under robber barons and moral busybodies. They want businesses to have unfair advantages and they want to control our private lives. Does Bachmann know what a robber baron is?

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robber_baron_(industrialist)

        Robber baron is a pejorative term revived in the 19th century United States for businessmen and bankers who dominated respective industries and amassed huge personal fortunes, typically by anti-competitive or unfair business practices. The term may now relate to any businessman or banker who used questionable business practices to become powerful or wealthy.

        • 5 votes
        Reply#16 - Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:27 PM EDT
        James Owens-1128509

        Like my mother says, "I don't know a lot about politics, I just know I live better when Democrats are in charge." Of course corporate CEOs can't say that, just common folk.

        • 2 votes
        #16.1 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:20 AM EDT
        Reply
        binziDeleted
        James Owens-1128509

        Help me here, since I'm fairly new, what does the ! stand for?

        • 1 vote
        Reply#18 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:57 PM EDT
        northtosouth

        James, are you trying to make a funny?

        • 1 vote
        #18.1 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:26 PM EDT
        Cletus Wilbury

        James,

        Often I use the ! to indicate sarcasm. That's just me, though.

          #18.2 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:12 PM EDT
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          Cletus Wilbury

          One thing I must give Bachmann credit for, she appears to be in good physical shape. Here arms in the picture are fairly muscular. She's good looking woman, despite her idiotic views.

            Reply#19 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:28 PM EDT
            James Owens-1128509

            Unfortunately, looks don't make you a good representative of the people, but it seems to matter a whole lot when it comes to making politicians. Sarah Palin comes to mind, she's an attractive woman, but I don't believe she is the sharpest knife in the kitchen.

            • 2 votes
            #19.1 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:14 PM EDT
            Carol-99

            She's good looking woman, despite her idiotic views.

            Cletus, I hope that's not your sole criteria for voting. Well, I'll have to give you credit for saying that she has idiotic views. :-)

              #19.2 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:03 PM EDT
              Cletus Wilbury

              Yes, indeed, Bachmann is the most idiotic of all the representatives in either the House or the Senate.

              Just guessing, her district is probably one of the most gerrymandered in the nation.

              • 2 votes
              #19.3 - Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:17 AM EDT
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              greenstorm

              "Paranoia"; Gives life to possibilities that could lead anywhere in a collective thought process. Especially on the web. It can be hard to tell what information is credible; plus like-minded links lead from one to another with little chance for opposing argument. As many people spend most of their time at work, or on the web. thoughts find each other and disprove themselves, or advance in their accumulation. Sometimes Perception follows what ever path falls before it. Conformity and rebellion become the same at some point. I think many of us could use a little time away from what we ussually do. You have got to look at things from the other side occasionally. Reality or not. It is real mistrust that makes people feel apprehensive. It is fear at the wheel. And we are all sharing the road with it.

                Reply#20 - Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:52 AM EDT
                James Owens-1128509

                I agree with much of what you are saying here; I'm just not sure what you are referring to specifically.

                  Reply#21 - Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:55 AM EDT
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